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People who lie about this country's beginning as "Christian" can gain a lot

Tomorrow’s schedule of events, & history, illustrate why we should be afraid when 1) a politician 2) lies & says our country 3) was founded as a Christian nation 4) believes that means for the benefit of Christians 5) who are the only people capable of being moral. 1/9

Europe’s monarchs ruled under the divine right of kings: “The political theory that the sovereign is a direct representative of God and has the right to rule absolutely by virtue of royal birth.” [FN1] The…

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Added by Mark Small on June 13, 2025 at 9:49pm — No Comments

Saturday: violence is wrong and stupid

IMPORTANT MESSAGE

Many “No Kings” marches, nationwide, take place Saturday. Links for resources are available on line. Training videos address several topics, including what to do in regard to violence. [FN1] Go to the website & watch the videos. A couple of reasons... 1/9

1) “When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game.” John Lennon said this. I know, maga idiots have talked up “2A solutions” [FN2] for a long time & have a ton of…

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Added by Mark Small on June 13, 2025 at 11:50am — No Comments

Knocking Sen to the ground & unreality

Our republic has survived hits. [FN1] Religion is a frequent element in history’s wars. Crosses, on armor & shields, were commonplace in the Crusades. [FN2] The Framers knew this history. IN’s Lt Gov lies about religion in our Nation’s founding & the lies must be addressed: 1/10

1) Dictatorships force a false reality on people & depend on their compliance. [FN3]

This was sd after U.S. Sen Padilla (D-CA) was physically removed fr/press conf by DHS head Kristi “I Love…

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Added by Mark Small on June 12, 2025 at 5:27pm — No Comments

Incentivize ICE arrests & detentions...

A reporter (MSNBC News, 1:23 pm CST) quoted a person w/DHS: so many arrests & detentions are necessary because the “officers” are working under impossibly high quotas. In 2012, IN Libertarian Party nominee for Lt Gov, Rupert Boneham, had a copy of the contract 1/3

GEO, a privately owned corporation that runs correctional facilities for profit, had w/the State of Indiana. The contract provided that the State of Indiana would pay a penalty if the State failed to provide inmates…

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Added by Mark Small on June 12, 2025 at 2:59pm — No Comments

This country not founded as Christian, Part 9 (& things to download to thumb drives, put in a Faraday cage & bury)

New Jersey uses day/year; ratification “this 18th day of December in the year of our Lord 1787" and since independence “the twelfth.” [FN1]

Connecticut twice uses “A.D.”; ratification: “January Ninth Anno Domini, 1788.” [FN2] 1/12

Massachusetts uses the deist “Supreme Ruler of the universe” [FN3] [FN4] & notes ratification the “7th day of February Anno Domini 1788.” [FN5]

Georgia’s dates are unadorned by reference to deity, but ratification: 1/2/1788 “in the year of our…

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Added by Mark Small on June 10, 2025 at 9:28am — No Comments

State conventions do not provide evidence this is a Christian nation Part 8

On 9/17/1787, the Constitution was sent to the 13 States to consider and vote yes or no. There is no statement that the States are to ratify in a deity’s name. IN’s Lt Gov, Micah Beckwith, says that it is “very clear” that we were founded “on Christian values.” [FN1] 1/10

The phrase “in the year of our Lord” is “not part of the official legal Constitution.” [FN2] The phrase has no legal significance and the “first time any one argued that it had religious significance was a preacher…

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Added by Mark Small on June 8, 2025 at 7:55pm — No Comments

Beckwith blasphemed & cannot hold office in theocracy he imagines

Good morning. Anyone who wants to read this blog is welcome. We could be in the last days of our republic. If you are a Christian and you a) voted for trump in 2024 and regret that vote b) are registered to vote but did not in 2024 or c) are not registered to vote, please consider: 1/5

1) IN Lt Gov Beckwith claims “God” spoke w/Beckwith on 1/7/21 & said: “I sent those riots to Washington. What you saw yesterday [01/06/21] was my hand at work.” [FN1]

2) Then, in a June 2024…

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Added by Mark Small on June 8, 2025 at 7:52am — No Comments

Seriously: John Jay sinks ... Beckwith

Some ppl believe that the judges should interpret the Constitution in accordance w/the Framers’ understanding [FN1] which “are not always easy to identify.” [FN2] Since May 30, I’ve tried to focus on erroneous claims, by IN’s Lt Gov, that the USA was founded as Christian. 1/5

Two years ago, Beckwith doctored a quote from John Jay, who wrote five Federalists, but wasn’t at Philly. Moreover, the letter was written 10/12/1816, long after the convention. was held. Today, though, I found…

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Added by Mark Small on June 7, 2025 at 10:22pm — No Comments

The Framers were aware of the bloody past, Part 7

Ratification of the Constitution was to be determined by State conventions specially called for that purpose [FN1] and minutes were kept of some State proceedings.[FN2] We should examine those records that “are very clear” [FN3] that our country was founded as a “Christian” nation. 1/9

The title pages of “Elliot’s Debates” do not bear any declaration or legend. Historically, Christians have not been shy about making such declarations: “Thus the eternal God, our Lord, gives victory to…

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Added by Mark Small on June 6, 2025 at 9:00pm — No Comments

Removal of trump from office is not an adequate remedy

Mutual recriminations flew yesterday between trump and Musk. [FN1] It might seem easier to watch this drama play out on a smart phone as you keep a brisk pace on your treadmill, but there has to be a re-boot to restore our national and State governments to pre-2016. 1/9

1) No one in 1776 suggested 15% of the vote should win an election. The Virginia Declaration of Rights [FN2] describes majority rule as “an indubitable, unalienable and indefeasible right.” The maga effort to steal…

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Added by Mark Small on June 6, 2025 at 7:18am — No Comments

Setting the record str8: we were not founded as a Christian nation Part 6

Burdens of proof and rejoinder guide a judge [FN1] or audience in determining who wins a debate. The affirmative team stands for a resolution & has the burden of proof. Once the affirmative meets its burden, [FN2], the negative team has the burden of rejoinder. On specific points, 1/14

“S/he who asserts must prove.” In a “tie,” the negative team wins. In policy debates, the negative team defends the status quo. [FN3] Proper wording of a resolution to debate the Christofascists:…

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Added by Mark Small on June 4, 2025 at 8:00pm — No Comments

Rokita says he's coming after DePauw? nfw

Alumni gather for reunions this weekend at DePauw University, my alma mater, a phrase that means “soul mother.” I remember looking from Bishop Roberts Hall (“BR”) across the Dells and feeling like I had found my home. During first year, we made quite a few 1/9

debate tournaments. A frequent opponent was DePauw’s arch rival, Wabash College, a males-only school. The “oldest rivalry west of the Allegheny Mountains” is best known for The Monon Bell game. The rivalry plays out in other…

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Added by Mark Small on June 4, 2025 at 11:35am — No Comments

Don't let them erase our history

The Constitution only protects the rights of people in historically marginalized groups if listed.

The Constitution mentions neither “Jesus Christ” nor “the Bible” but “God” is everywhere.

Stated differently, neither “dyke” nor “queer” is in the text. Get the message? 1/10

IN’s Lt Gov says “separation of church and State” isn’t in the text of the Constitution [FN1] so 1st Amendment’s establishment clause [FN2] can be tossed. His deity is absent in founding docs, so IN’s Lt Gov…

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Added by Mark Small on June 3, 2025 at 9:54pm — No Comments

"Christian values" are not "clearly there" in the Constitution Part 4

“America was absolutely founded on Christian values. You have to be ignorant to think otherwise. The writings of our Framers and the founding documents are very clear on that.” [FN1]

1) Blatant ambiguity (“Christian values” undercuts a conclusion that

2) is not supported by the facts. 1/11

IN’s Lt Gov says only Christians can be moral.[FN2] He & “maga” demean those of us who embrace “wokeness.” Neither Beckwith nor his maga buddies can claim our “woke” values as…

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Added by Mark Small on June 1, 2025 at 5:06pm — No Comments

Level playing fields & ground rules, part kinda 3

The metaphor of a level playing field is hard to apply to discourse about political issues & when one side shouts, lies and demeans the other, there’s no “field,” much less a level one. The far right & maga want power. They call progressives names, but cannot reply to arguments. 1/9

I won’t waste time on people steeped in red maga ink or who think IN’s Lt Gov didn’t make up “the Lord” taking credit for Jan 6. [FN1] The Lt Gov didn’t believe his own lies or he’d have demanded…

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Added by Mark Small on May 31, 2025 at 2:57pm — No Comments

Not founded as a Christian country, Part 2

IN’s Lt Gov [FN1] says ““America absolutely was founded on Christian values” & “writings of our Framers & founding documents are very clear on that.” [FN1] What are 1) “values” uniquely “Christian” and 2) “writings of our Framers & founding documents.” [FN2] 1/12

1) Beckwith says only Christians can be moral. [FN3] “Morals are societal norms about right and wrong. [] Values are personal beliefs & principles.” [FN4] Relevant documents & writings are “very clear,” so…

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Added by Mark Small on May 30, 2025 at 8:56pm — No Comments

Contrary to claims of the far right, this country was not founded as a Christian country Part I

After 236 years, our Republic might die. If you think we cannot survive such extreme differences, you should read our history. Hamilton said all communities are divided between the many (who make bad decisions) & the few (rich and well born) [FN1] who should run things 1/10

because they cannot receive any advantage. [FN2] He did not foresee “the few” so craving greater power & wealth that they are blind to the country’s best interests. Finally, in 1787, hanging over the heads…

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Added by Mark Small on May 30, 2025 at 7:29am — No Comments

Rule of law is endangered by the acts of one who bemoans that imperiled state: Roberts, CJ

SCOTUS C.J. John Roberts is bummed out & “warned a group of graduating laws students that the rule of law is ‘endangered.’” [FN1] As C.J., Johnny Bob’s duty is to know the gen’l state of our legal system. [FN2] The rule of law is a principle of our judicial system. [FN3] 1/14

Roberts has an intimate familiarity w/events that placed the rule of law in peril. For 20 years, he has overseen right-wing efforts to pack SCOTUS & return us to a time when rights of white males [FN4]…

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Added by Mark Small on May 13, 2025 at 7:32pm — No Comments

Confront the denial of reality by those who want a dictator

Our republic could soon die. Changes in where & how we access information, plus efforts to gut public ed, made us vulnerable. People laughed at absurdities on front pages of tabloids & wondered who made those up. [FN1] Newspapers & TV had journalistic standards. 1/15

Cable news, then the internet, changed how we perceive “reality.” Tricia McLaughlin, on CNN Saturday, [FN2] insisted Newark Mayor Baraka was arrested for "storming" a DHS facility. Host Victor Blackwell…

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Added by Mark Small on May 11, 2025 at 6:48pm — No Comments

Reply to maga who said "They don't need warrants...

They meant the ICE agents who carried out raids without warrants. Or name tags. Or badges. "They don't need warrants." My reply: 1/3

"Oh, right! There's an asterisk next to 'warrant' each time it appears in the Constitution. At the bottom of the page and next to each asterisk is this statement: 'Not applicable when a foreign dictator calls the shots so that his punk bitch can be a dictator, too.' And fuck you!" 2/3

I apologize 1) The language I…

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Added by Mark Small on May 10, 2025 at 3:49pm — No Comments

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