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“Christian” nationalists: stupid OR ignorant or stupid AND ignorant (& mean about it, too)

“Christian” nationalists assert that the USA was founded as a “Christian” country, but none of the founding documents refers to, or notes as included in our laws, either Old or New Testament. And to say only that “they” adopted “‘Christian’ morals,’” doesn’t get it: 1/17

1) “They” construe “Christian” morals to rationalize hatred [FN98];
2) The 13 States began a move to have all criminal statutes in writing. [FN99] Now, to return to the State ratification conventions ... 2/17

The Constitution states: “The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.” [FN100] Proceedings of some States’ conventions are in Elliot’s Debates, described 3/17

as “the best source for materials about the national government's transitional period.” [FN101] Its editor noted: “Honored by the adoption of resolutions, in both Houses of Congress”, directing the volumes be furnished for use by senators and representatives. [FN102] 4/17

Nearly 200 years later, the State Historical Society of Wisconsin attempted to assemble materials from the States’ conventions.
Congress “received the report of the Convention,” i.e., the Constitution, and sent it to each State to call a convention of delegates. [FN103] 5/17

Delaware was quick & first to ratify on December 7, 1787. [FN104] Few documents exist related to ratification & they do not say the USA was founded as a “Christian” nation. [FN105] [FN106] Mention of a deity occurs (“year of our Lord”) in reciting some dates. [FN107] 6/17

Of 30 delegates to Delaware’s ratification convention, none seems to have called for creating a “Christian” country. In debate, generally, s/he who asserts must prove. “Christian” nationalists cannot support their assertion that this was founded as a “Christian” country. Let’s go 7/17

a step further, with Delaware as an example. There were delegates whose beliefs would have forced them to object vehemently to creating, as a TPUsa shill says, a “Christian” country for the benefit of “Christians.” [FN108] E.g.: Richard Bassett was Methodist & fought 8/17

prejudice held against him by other Christians. [FN109] William Moore, George Truitt, Joseph Barker and Edward White also were Methodists & delegates to Delaware’s ratification convention. Dr Nicholas Way was a Quaker. [FN110] “Christian” nationalists: 9/17

1) can’t support their assertion that the USA was founded as their type of Christianity; 2) what they offer is of little merit; and 3) whether they are ignorant or stupid misses how they can be ignorant AND stupid. [FN111] Next up: there more States that held conventions. 10/17

Footnotes:
FN98. See, Niki Kelli, “Beckwith sermon, once again, draws the wrong kind of attention,” Capital Chronicle, 8/21/26, accessed 8/22/26. 11/17

FN99. See, John Bessler, The Italian Enlightenment and the American Revolution: Cesare Beccaria's Forgotten Influence on American Law, 37 Mitchell Hamline Law Journal of Public Policy and Practice 1 (2017), accessed 8/22/26..
FN100. U.S. Const. art. VII. 12/17

FN101. Library of Congress, “Elliot’s Debates,” accessed 8/22/26.
FN102. 1 Elliot’s Debates p. v. Also, all five volumes can be accessed in PDF at the Library of Congress website, and downloaded, free of charge. 13/17

FN103. 1 Elliot’s Debates, pp. 317-18.
FN104. Constitution of the United States, “Adoption of Constitution,” West’s Annotated Indiana Code, Constitution,” (1999), p. 29; 1 Elliot’s Debates, p. 319. 14/17

FN105. Delaware’s Ante-Revolutionary history, (1 Elliot’s p. 38) its commissioners at Annapolis Convention, (Id., pp. 116-20) credentials of its delegates to Philadelphia, (Id., pp. 130-31) and report to Congress of its 12/7/1787 ratification. (Id., p. 319.) 15/17

FN106. “Since the ‘proceedings’ of the [Delaware Ratification] Convention have been lost, what little is known about the Convention is based on a few meager sources.” The Documentary History of the Ratification of the Constitution, Vol III,” (1978), p. 105. 16/17

FN107. E.g., report of ratification. 1 Elliot’s Debates, p. 319.
FN108. Rolling Stone, 4/21/23.
FN109. Denise Kinnan and Joseph D’Agnese, “Signing Their Rights Away,”(2011), pp. 130-31.
FN110. Delaware Day, “Ratifiers of the U.S. Constitution,” accessed 8/23/26.
FN111. And they’re mean about it, too. 17/17

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